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Being Well Podcast: Rethinking Masculinity: Strength and Connection w/ Terry and Justin Real
June 23, 2025

In this episode of the Being Well Podcast, Forrest is joined by renowned therapist Terry Real and his son Justin for a frank exploration of modern masculinity. They talk about why so many men feel like they’re struggling these days, and how the traditional model of masculinity perpetuates this problem. They discuss the appeal of red pill cultures, the cultural pushback against gender equality, and how the answer is not more dominance but more connection. Other topics include emotional intelligence, healthy relationships, and how men can claim a healthier understanding of strength.

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Key Topics

  • 0:00: Introduction
  • 1:50: Terry on patriarchy and male disconnection
  • 7:56: Justin on being raised in an emotionally aware environment
  • 11:34: The problem of male invulnerability
  • 14:35: What do women actually want?
  • 18:10: Strength, relationality, and loving power
  • 25:50: Common patterns in therapy
  • 33:20: The performance of masculinity
  • 45:01: Parenting, gender literacy, and fatherhood
  • 48:10: Selling this to men, and the need for new models

Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there.

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