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Being Well Podcast: Treating Shame with Self-Compassion with Dr. Chris Germer
September 28, 2026

Shame is one of the hardest emotions to work with, in part because it blocks what we need most when we’re feeling shame: self-compassion. Today on the Being Well Podcast, Dr. Chris Germer, co-developer of the Mindful Self-Compassion program, joins Forrest to discuss how we can get around that trap and begin treating shame with self-compassion. They talk about where shame comes from, how to recognize it when it’s hiding behind other emotions, and practical tools that help us experience less shame. 

About our Guest: Chris Germer is a clinical psychologist, lecturer at Harvard Medical School, co-developer of the Mindful Self-Compassion program with Dr. Kristin Neff, and author of the new book Self-Compassion for Shame.

Key Topics

  • 0:00: Intro: shame, hiding, and why it blocks self-compassion
  • 2:52: What shame is and why it hides
  • 9:45: How self-compassion changes the inner voice
  • 13:44: The arc of working with shame
  • 18:05: Shame as an innocent emotion
  • 22:57: Backdraft and the wish to be loved
  • 29:50: Self-compassion as exposure
  • 39:43: When people really do judge you
  • 45:33: The “shrug”
  • 47:56: Healthy shame, toxic shame, and the parts of you
  • 58:48: Recap

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